Monday, February 10, 2014

Touching Rock N Roll History, An Interview with Mickey Jones

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A number of years ago I had the honor of interviewing rock n roll legend, Mickey Jones.  Mickey was the drummer for Bob Dylan on the Electric Tour, the tour that changed the world.  With all of the Beatles discussion as of late, I thought it appropriate to track this interview down, and re-post it.  So that all said, here goes, a blast from the past that touches Rock N Roll history.

Mike: Hey Mickey, I want to first of all thank you for taking the time to talk to me and give me some of your insights to the new movie The Fighting Temptations. Mickey, a lot of people have no idea who you are when they hear your name but certainly know you when they see your face. Can you tell us some of the roles you have played in television and movies?

Mickey: That is the life of a character actor. I have done roughly 80 films but most notably, National Lampoon's Vacation with Chevy Chase, Starman with Jeff Bridges, Dean Bang with Don Johnson, Total Recall with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sling Blade with Billy Bob Thornton and Tin Cup with Kevin Costner. I also did the main song in the movie called The Double Bogey Blues. It is on the soundtrack album as well. I've done about 400 TV shows but the best was the 8 years I did with Tim Allen on Home Improvement. I've done over 300 commercials but the most remembered is also the most aired commercial ever in the history of television where I played the big biker with the little old lady on the subway for Breath Savers.

Mike: You seem to be cast quite often as a character actor, playing specific roles, kind of the down and out or rough guy with a motorcycle guy kind of role, how close are those characters in real life to the real Mickey Jones?

Mickey: I do ride a motorcycle but I very seldom kill anybody in real life. I do play a lot of bad guys which are fun to do as a character actor but they are nothing close to my real life. In my real life, my wife and I are both Christians. I will say some certain words if they are right for the character but I will not take the Lord's name in vain even as a character. I did it once and have regretted it ever since. It was in the film Starman. I still cringe when I see that scene. Unfortunately, they is forever.

Mike: I noticed that you help host a motorcycle rally on a regular basis, what is that all about and what is the purpose of the rally?

Mickey:
I host a number of motorcycle events around the country every year for charity. The biggest event I host is The Mickey Jones CHOC Ride and Blues Festival. We raise money for CHOC (Children's Hospital of Orange County). I also host a ride in Cocoa Beach, Florida for ARC-Brevard. That is the Association of Retarded Citizens. October 25th I will be hosting the first annual Laci Peterson Memorial Ride in Modesto, CA. I just hosted G.A.M.E., The Great American Motorcycle Experience in Las Vegas, NV and I host The Sam's Town River Run in Tunica, MS. I love to ride and until September 19th of this year, I was the Celebrity Spokesman for Indian Motorcycle. On Sept. 19th, they closed the doors and went out of business.

Mike: You are in a movie that is doing quite nicely right now called The Fighting Temptations, what would you say are the central themes of the movie?

Mickey: I hope everyone will go see this film. Of the 80 some odd films that I have done, I think I am more proud of this one that any film I have ever done. There are no machine guns, no car crashes and no explosions. I usually cut 2 or 3 peoples throats before I get killed but not in this film. I play this redneck pig farmer who becomes the organist for the Beulah Baptist Church Gospel Choir. The is no foul language and no nudity. You can actually take your whole family to this film. It is hysterically funny, it will grab your heart and you will walk out of the theatre feeling like a million bucks. I can't remember the last time I walked out of a Hollywood film feeling like a million bucks. It stars Cuba Gooding Jr. and Beyonce' Knowles and you will love it. It is all about the music.

Mike: Can you tell us what it was like working with the cast of The Fighting Temptations? And of course any inside scoop not commonly known would be appreciate, in a fun way of course.

Mickey: The cast actually became a family. I would sometimes go to the set just to see some of the gospel music even if I was not in the scene. I had to go see Reverend Shirley Caesar. They are the best gospel choir in the world. Another thing that happened on this film that I have never seen on any film I have ever worked on. There were days that the cast would pray, in the van, on the way to work. We all did this movie for God

Mike: Can you tell me some about how you got the part of Scooter and what it was about the character that attracted you to him?

Mickey: When I read the script and first went in to meet the director, Jonathon Lynn, I knew that I wanted this part. I have always asked God to put me in a film that would glorify Him and this was one film that I actually asked God to give me this job. I fell in love with Scooter and I knew I could smoke him. As a musician, there was no way that I could not deliver the goods. I also liked the fact that Scooter was a principal figure in the film. He was one of the Fighting Temptations. I hope the film does well because all of the principal actors, the Fighting Temptations, are already signed to a sequel.

Mike: It is unusual that a movie such a strong Spiritual backdrop be made by MTV. Did that surprise you after you read the script?

Mickey: I was a little surprised but because it is all about the music, I understood completely. I think MTV helped arrange some of the vocal artists in the film.

Mike: What was your specific interest in making the movie?

Mickey: First, all of us actors are always looking for work but when something comes along that you dream about, you jump at the chance.

Mike: I have read that T-Bone did a lot of praying and sharing of his faith on the set with the actors, even helped some of them become Christians? What was your thought to this and was it something that normally takes place when a Christian is in movie?

Mickey: T-Bone is an incredible person. I got to know him very well and it is true, his spirit covered the set and I am sure he brought some folks to the Lord. He was one of the ones responsible for the praying on the way to work. We talked and shared at lengths and I thank God for his presence and his friendship.

Mike: How did the producers and director respond to the Spiritual things, specifically related to Christianity that took place on the movie set?

Mickey: One of the producers, Loretha Jones, who was also one of the music producers was a blessing on the set as well and loved the atmosphere of Christianity that was present all the time.

Mike: I know from what you told me before that you had had an interview with Focus on the Family, a Christian organization, how did that come about?

Mickey: One night in Columbus GA while we were shooting the Gospel Explosion segment, I read the memo from our publicist, Cassandra Butcher and found that one of the press people on the set the next day was from Focus On The Family. I called her and told her that I wanted to do something with the Focus folks. I am a big fan of Dr. James Dobson. I spent about a half an hour with them doing the interview. Unfortunately nothing ever appeared in their newsletter.

Mike: Can you tell us some about your faith and relationship with Jesus Christ?

Mickey: I became a Christian when I was 14 years old. I got saved and asked Jesus to come into my heart at a Christian camp when I was in junior high school. Now, with that said, I lived a portion of my life in a way that God would not be proud of. I was in the world. God was always in my heart but I disappointed him many times. I have been married to my wife, Phyllis, for the past 23 years and I have tried to live the way God wants us all to live. Several years ago, she asked me, "Do you want us to be yoked together in Heaven?" My reply was, "What a silly question, of course I do". She said, "Well, you better get in the Book." I was heartbroken. I grabbed my tail between my legs and felt ashamed. Because of her encouragement, I have been reading the Bible everyday. I wake up early and go to my chair and lamp in our den and spend time with the Lord in the Book. I look forward to that every morning before I turn on the TV or even breakfast. I have almost read the entire Bible. When I do finish, I will continue to read it again. I'm sure I will do this the rest of my life. A couple of years ago we went to Israel and the Bible came alive for me. Now when I read, it is like watching a movie on a big screen in front of my eyes. It's funny, when we were in Caesarea, we were told the story of Cornelius, the Roman Centurion who summoned Peter from Joffa because he wanted to know about this Jesus guy. He sent 6 of his guards to fetch Peter and when Peter told him of Jesus, Cornelius fell on his knees and became a Christian. I was very moved with this story. When we got back home, I picked up my Bible the next morning and by Book mark opened me to the story of Cornelius. Believe me, that was not a coincidence.

Mike: A lot of people are critical of movies, but it seems as if movies are addressing spiritual issues more and more, have you noticed that and what are your thoughts on it?

Mickey: I am not thrilled with most of the Hollywood movies. I do not see many movies that are based on God. I saw Bad Boys 2 recently and I heard the F word 40 times in the first 5 minutes. I think that is a turn off to most movie goers. It is to me. I guess that is one of the reasons that I am so excited about The Fighting Temptations. I have people stop me on the street and tell me that they saw the movie and loved every minute of it. In fact, they are going to see it again because they want to take somebody with them. That is a good sign.

Mike: What do you say to the Christians and others who are critical of movies?

Mickey: It is not my place to judge others. I am only responsible for me.

Mike: How much of a responsibility do Christians have to be involved in the "Hollywood" movie making process, and is there presence really felt?

Mickey: As a Christian, it is a responsibility to stand up for our beliefs. I will never be ashamed to let folks know that He is my God. In order to continue to work, we must make some concessions but taking God's name in vain is not one that I will make. I feel His presence everyday.

Mike: There is a scene in the movie where the prison guards bring in the inmates and are holding guns, there is a comment by one of the characters that guns are not allowed in church. You are playing the organ and reach in your pants pull out your gun, set it on top of the organ and say something like, "Well somebody should have told me that." I personally loved that scene and the parts with you in them are among my favorites, including that particular scene. It seems as if some Christians are so critical of peoples actions without ever talking to them about those actions and why those actions might be wrong. That scene kind of illustrated that. I would be interested to hear your comments as to things of that nature in this particular scene and others that The Fighting Temptations seems to try and address; the attitudes of non acceptance of those who "are different", and areas where people in the church and those who don't go to church just don't seem to understand each other.

Mickey: I loved that scene as well. There was a line cut of the movie that I really loved but when you hear the line, you will know why it was cut. The additional line was, "You know, Charlton Heston played Moses, I just figured we was all on the same team." Paramount elected to remove the line because Charlton Heston had just announced that he had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. In order to be politically correct, the line had to be removed. However, it was a funny line. I own guns. A lot of people seemed to forget that our founding fathers wrote into the Constitution, the second amendment, the right to bear arms. It is not connected with the phrase, "in a regulated militia" either. Guns have saved more lives than have been accidentally taken.

Mike: While The Fighting Temptations seems to address issues related to the churches acceptance of those often forgotten about, those sometimes called, "The Lost, The Last and The Least" it is also done so with respect. What was the general attitude of how those involved with church should be approached in the character development?

Mickey: I think it is important to note that in the film that some are persecuted but all are welcome in the end.

Mike: You are an organ player among other things in the movie. As a musician myself it really looked like you were a legitimate musician? Are you or are you that good of an actor? Also if you have been involved in music in what ways have you been involved?

Mickey: This will be a fun question to answer. I spent 23 years in the music business. I have 17 gold and platinum albums on the wall of my home. I was the drummer for Trini Lopez for 8 years, Johnny Rivers for 3 years, Bob Dylan for 2 years, (I was the original drummer with The Band) and 10 years with Kenny Rogers and The First Edition. I play drums, guitar and a little piano.

Mike: (Note Added after interview) I must state that Mickey did answer the question regarding if he really played in the movie. Producer Jonathan Lynn made a request that I will honor along with Mickey. In other words you will have to see the movie yourself and decide if you think Mickey is answering. It is one of the Studio Secrets of this movie.)

Mike: One of the great things about this movie is it's incorporation of R&B, Rap, Hip-Hop, some southern feels, and even Blues and Gospel all forming music that is accepted and played in a church. How much fun was it making those musical scenes in the movie, and what lessons could the church learn about the incorporation of various styles of music in their worship services?

Mickey: No one will ever know how much fun it was to make this movie. Everyday was a new concert. I am not a big fan of rap but I fell in love with Zane and T-Bone. I would go in on my days off just to watch the Shirley Caesar Gospel Choir. I did not want to miss a minute of the wonderful performances in the film. I sang on a couple of the songs in the film. We had more fun in the recording studio. I got to sing with The OJs. How cool is that? I told the director that we had become such good friends that I was going to record a CD with The OJs. It was going the be called The OJs and a Cracker. I thought he would fall out of his chair. Like I said, it is about the music. One of my favorite artists is Darrell Mansfield. He plays Christian blues. All music is welcome in the eyes of God.

Mike: What is on the horizon for Mickey Jones, what movies roles or anything that you are excited about?

Mickey: I recently released a 90 minute documentary on the 1966 Bob Dylan First Electric World Tour. It was the first tour when Bob played electric around the world. I was his original drummer. When we started the tour, the group was called The Hawks. None of the press ever referred to us as The Hawks. All they ever said was The Band is too loud, The Band should go back to America, so that's how we got the name, The Band. You can order it out our website, www.1966tourhomemovies.com. It is a real musical history of my life. I recently shot a film in Centerville, Iowa. It is called "Iowa". It is a pretty violent film. It is about the crystal meth capitol of the world. It should come out next spring.

Mike: Mickey, I must say that this has been a thrill for me, I have respected your characters for years in movies and it is great knowing that you are a brother in Christ and call Jesus your Rock. I just want to give you the opportunity to say anything you would like before the conclusion of the interview.

Mickey: My wife told me something once that has stuck with me and I think about it all the time. "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything". God wants us to stand up for him. I will not fall for this left wing attack on Christians. I will not fall for this Godless society that we live in today. I already read the back of the book, I know who wins, WE DO!


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Friday, January 10, 2014

Ragamuffin, The True Story of Rich Mullins


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There is little doubt, three artists, each deceased, Keith Green, Larry Norman and Rich Mullins left more of an impact on the Christian music scene than likely any could ever imagine. These three, all unique, all different, all with their own unique style had something different about them, for Rich Mullins it was his simplicity and willingness to go against the grain of what Nashville wanted in their sound. For Rich Mullins, as presented in this film, it was his honest search and struggle to experience Jesus. He ultimately decided to reside in Wichita Kansas. Wichita is the town I currently reside in, the town where I have developed relationships and friendships with many of those who knew Rich. Yet the story of Rich Mullins, much like the story of many like Lonnie Frisbee is one of brokenness. It is a story that resonates with biblical themes of how God uses brokenness to reach the world. 

The new film company Color Green Films in association with Kid Brothers of St. Frank Co. have come together to make their first film, Ragamuffin The True Story of Rich Mullins. Directed by David Schultz, and starring Mike Koch, David Schultz, Wolfgang Bodison, James Kyson, Mitch Mcvicker among others is quite an accomplishment, especially considering it is a first effort by largely unknowns. The film in short weaves much of the story of Rich Mullins quite nicely in dramatic form. Koch who plays Mullins does an admirable job.  Schultz, the director and others did quite nicely when deciding to use a musician to play the part as opposed to an actor. Schultz, while not looking much like Mullins, transforms his persona quite well, Schultz also does a very nice job in performing all of the Mullins songs. There is much more to like about Ragamuffin, it is a first rate movie and far better than most independent efforts. To be short and blunt to this point, Ragamuffin is deserving of a theatrical release where it would have maximum impact on transcending and telling the story of a true troubadour, not so much because of his music but his honesty, love and search for God, despite his obvious weaknesses. 

Ragamuffin starts off with Mick Mcvicker (who plays himself) and Mullins stopping off at an old abandoned church to record what Mullins thought would be an important contribution to his music, The Jesus Record. The story moves to Mullins telling his story to a radio announcer, a story that included everything from at times, apparent neglect and the desire to feel love from his father to lost love in college and more. The DJ Rich is telling his story to is played by Mullins real life brother, Randy Mullins who asks questions that has Rich Mullins character flashing back to various points in his life.  While flashbacks can be disrupting, Schultz does a nice job using this technique. The story flows and we see Rich Mullins in a way many didn't know about, a broken man, with faults that included depression, a temper, alcohol issues if not alcoholism, and an apparent chain smoking habit. I mention this because we see a side of a Christian Music 'icon' that many didn't know existed. Even on the way out of the sold-out world premiere at the Orpheum Theater in Wichita the first comment I heard from another spectator was, "I never knew he was as messed up as he was." Herein lies a big problem, how will the church and Christians who placed him up on a pedestal respond to the real man. Rich Mullins isn't the first in this predicament, it is likely he won't be the last. Often times it seems as if Christians and the church put people up on pedestals without realizing they are simply, broken people having the same hurts and struggles as everyone else.

Despite having a cast virtually unknown, including band mates of Mullins, relatives, and friends, this movie plays out very nicely. The cinematography, story, everything plays out very well. It was one of several areas I was surprised. I have to give credit where credit is due, Schultz does a more than admirable job at directing his first feature. If he hasn't considered this as a career, he should.

One of the things I loved about Ragamuffin was its willingness to be honest. It is likely the area that will cause some problems. It is sad, that many within the established church will have serious issue with this film. Even on the current advance screening tour, the film is scheduled to play in many churches I suspect where some attendees will have problems in the end.  It has been my experience, that many within Christian circles don't want to accept the reality of what is really going on in the "Christian" industry. Ragamuffin shows is quite honestly and while holding back on some issues related to Rich, it does a very good job at showing his brokenness and struggles. For those that relate and are searching for truth, this movie does as good a job at presenting the real life, honest to God struggle of walking in faith better than anything I have ever seen put on screen. I suspect that even after reading the warnings, giving the information in advance, there will be many who will doubt these stories and issues related to Rich Mullins, until seeing the film. They will then have one of three reactions, 1) doubt, 2) serious displeasure in supporting him, or 3) feel the grace of God, knowing that God loves us while we are yet sinners. It is here must remember, just as Mullins would state, it is important to remember that God not only loves us, he likes us. For some it seems as if the search for honesty, one with real questions and a sincere heart, has to be glossed over, or for some reason, conclude with the spiritual answers that many of us know aren't anything more than clichés. Yet for many of us, who are in fact, Ragamuffins, we know the answers are in some ways more complicated than that, and in others, more simple than that. 

While there was a great deal I liked about this film, there was also some things I disliked.  Unfortunately many key players, their stories and more were left out, entirely. Gay Quisenberry was the long time manager for Mullins. Despite numerous efforts to find out why she was left out of the story, including attempts at speaking to the Director the night of and after my questions regarding several issues went unanswered. Gay was a vital  part of Rich's life, from his ministry to many other areas, including even his involvement in the Navajo ministry.  I have known Gay for some time, appreciate and value her, I have learned multitudes about Rich from her, that said, I know of her love for him and apparently, to have not been contacted in regards to this story, to have shared her memories, experiences of Rich recorded is somewhat troubling. There may be reasonable explanations as to this but I have no idea as I have yet to get a response from the filmmakers on this issue. The last response after asking via a pm at FB, leaving a phone message last night, from the director this afternoon was, "Hey man sorry we didn't connect. crazier last night that I could have imagined. I unfortunately just don't have any open time today. So do what you need to do my friend. Thanks for coming!"

I could go into more detail here, but will simply say, it would be nice to work together to try and support a film of this nature which is so deserving. If I was one that was from the typical "press" that would be one issue, being the Ragamuffin I am, (those that know me know the absolute truth to this) I have a hard time accepting the reasoning for not making some time despite the months of effort in this. It is the hardest I ever had to work to get any information from the filmmakers only to only get nothing.  BTW my efforts to try and obtain information started in August of 2013, so it wasn't like this was a first attempt. It is especially sad here as this is a very promising, good film, one deserving of people seeing but one also deserving of truth a truth that many will want to know about.

As to the film, for the content, and the praise I will give the director and cast, in fact all involved with this movie a huge two thumbs up.  I am confused though with such a good, quality, much better than expected film, doesn't it deserves all of the effort it can to reach people? There was some discussion prior to the film in a constructed Q&A, about the film not being that big of a deal, to that I say, Hogwash! This movie has the potential to help people understand their own walk, I know because I am one who can relate to the struggles, the difficulties of life as exemplified in Ragamuffin whether it be never living up to the expectations of others, feeling rejection for feeling what you feel, the aspect of having a broken heart to the ultimate need of feeling and experiencing Christ love and grace. So many within this institution we call church hurt, they in a way become Rich Mullins all over again because they are lonely and are starving for the answers. Some question the search, even condemn those who are searching, this movie though, it speaks truth. The message of Ragamuffin is that Jesus loves you, he cares for you, he likes you, no matter your circumstance, no matter your sin. That God would choose to use the broken to illustrate his love for others and communicate His truths; that is a message we all need to hear, even the church who seems to at times have forgotten that message.  This movie is powerful. It can and will reach many in their own lost and hurting world.  Why not take advantage as a film company and make that happen? There are many studio films which have clearly failed at the effort of telling a good story with a message that can change the world, this one has the potential to change a life, a life God cares for, loves, and likes. Why not do everything possible to make that happen.  Seldom have I ever done this, but this is a movie that is worthy of the cry from the fans who see it, it is worthy because for many of us, we are Ragamuffins walking on this path called life, hand in hand with a savior named Jesus.

On a scale of 1 - 10, for the incredible nearly perfect recognition that those of us who hurt can still be loved and liked, minus the one individual who is in body now gone, for the powerful life of Rich Mullins, minus that life, I give this a very surprising and insightful 9

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Tuesday, September 17, 2013

Interview with Kirk Cameron



Over the years I have had the opportunity to interview and meet many celebrities, sometimes athletes, actors, musicians and I have to admit, there are times I get a little giddy. I heard about an opportunity with Kirk Cameron and to be honest about it, it was at first a so so moment. I have never really been a fan of Cameron’s, never seen an episode of Growing Pains and haven’t been the biggest fan of The Way of the Master. Unfortunately, the movies I had seen him in with Christian themes were disappointing. I was among the throngs of people looking forward to the release of The Left Behind movies and was extremely disappointed with the overall quality of the movies once they were released. While Cameron did a fair job in his biggest hit, Fireproof, I was still disappointed with other components of the film including the many in the supporting cast. It was watchable though which was more than I could say about The Left Behind movies. Despite my own feelings about Cameron’s work which I had seen what I soon learned when releasing the news of my upcoming interview with him was that he had a huge following. It wasn’t that I didn’t like him; I just wasn’t a fan. 

His new project Unstoppable was something that looked interesting to me; it is to be a one night only theatrical event which focuses on the question of when bad things happen to good people in a documentary style. In my own experiences in sharing my faith it is without a doubt one of the most asked questions of people who are going through tough times, or seeking to question the reality of God. The trailers for this project look promising and Cameron is intriguing in the small bits of the film I have seen. So I begin my efforts to prepare for the Cameron interview. I asked my friends what they would ask, complied some of their questions with mine and proceeded to talk to him. While the interview started off a little rough, (I felt his answer to the question regarding his evangelical techniques with Way of the Master was scripted and came off as if he were reading it) the interview shortly moved into more of a positive place, including laughter and what I felt was a sincere Kirk Cameron, a guy I could like and enjoy spending some time with.  What follows is a part of that interview that starts off with Kirk giving me a phone call.

Kirk Cameron (KC): Hi Mike Kirk Cameron here.

Mike Furches (MF): Hi Kirk, how are you doing?

KC: Doing great, how about you?

MF: Doing good, real good in fact.

KC: I’m out here on the West Coast, where are you at?

MF: I’m in Wichita Kansas.

KC:  Oh My!

MY: Yeah, I write for 3 web sites, The Virtual Pew, Spirituality in Film and of course the biggie and granddaddy of them all, Hollywood Jesus.

I’m looking forward to the interview, some of the folks and friends at Facebook and other places have indicated that they think I am a good choice to speak to you because I tend to be blunt and to the point. I’ve also seen enough interviews with you to know that you can handle it. (Laughter from me and Kirk)

KC:  Well that’s good and I’ll try not to go out to be too rough on you either.

MF:  You don’t have to go rough on me; you don’t have much of a reason to be that rough.  (Again laughter from the two of us)

 Anyway, I do have a few questions and I certainly want to respect your time, so I’ll jump right in if that is okay.

KC: Certainly, I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.

MF:  I’m glad to do it.

This is a question I have had from another individual to ask you. It seems that a lot of your methods from WOTM are controversial, even among strong evangelicals, some say they are manipulative at times and are disrespectful, your thoughts as you are a great person to answer this question or thought?

KC: (laughter) Well, let’s see, I can tell you that my goal is to always be kind and to be gracious to always be willing to speak in kindness of what I  believe to be the truth, again, in a loving and gracious manner. So obviously I had a major change of heart and a major change of in my life when someone shared the Gospel with me. Today, I am a recovering Atheist and I am so grateful today that someone took the time to expose my sin and point me to the cross and my need for a Savior. Now some might say that the person who did that with me may have been disrespectful toward my lifestyle or intolerant of my previous beliefs, but I look at that persona as a hero. They were somebody who helped me to pull my head out of the sand and to smell the coffee so to speak. They helped me lift my eyes to Heaven and to begin to live my life saying ‘Thank you God for being so kind to me. Thank you for pulling me off this path that was leading no where good and for putting my feet on higher ground.’ Today I am so thankful; you look at most of my contemporaries that I grew up with and tragically I can’t even hang out with some of them anymore because their dead or they’re in a lock down facility. Why? Because they continued down a path that seemed right in their own eyes and it’s that Hollywood path that often leads to shame, guilt, fear, destruction and tragedy. I’m so thankful that I’m not there and it started with someone sharing the Gospel with me in a way that I attempt to share with others in my life.

MF: I’ll stray from some of my questions and you gave me a good follow up here.  Have you seen the video of Penn Jillette getting the gift of a bible?  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhG-tkQ_Q2w


KC: I sure have.

MF:  So what you are saying is in some ways, the same thing Penn is saying in the video? That if we really
believe in our faith, in a Heaven or a Hell, then it becomes critical and important to share our faith without compromise?

KC: Yes, and Penn went even further than that by saying and trying to convict people of faith to say, ‘If your not sharing your faith with someone that you believe is in danger, then how much do you really have to hate someone to not share that which you believe can help them?’ That would be the most unloving thing that you could do in other words, that is, to not share your faith with them. I can tell you right now that Penn the Atheist really convicted me and Ray Comfort saw his video. It made us feel like, you know what? We need to do this even more in life!

MF: So the conviction of an Atheist to do even more when it comes to spreading the Gospel?

KC: (Enthusiastically) YES! (Laughing now) that is the irony of that we agree, he is right.

MF: One of the things I have always tried to do is to respect my friends and readers, so this one is another question that comes directly from Facebook. What are your thoughts on Christian film and the criticism that there normally put out there including there isn’t much of a story, poor acting, poor special effects etc...  Do you think the future looks better for Christian film, and can you give some examples that give indication of that?

KC:  That’s a really good question and I have to think about it. (About 15 seconds of silence before he responds) Let me tell you something; first are you recording or writing?

MF:  I learned a long time ago to record.

KC:  That’s great, so let me tell you something about Christian film. You know, film is film. It is a very interesting discussion to talk about what makes something a “Christian” film. I’m looking at your web site, Hollywood Jesus right now and I see “Man of Steel, Jesus in Chains.” You can also look at The Chronicles of Narnia, The Passion of the Christ and a thousand different movies about heroes and damsels in distress, killing the dragon, rescuing the woman, stories about war and redemption, betrayal and sacrifice, death and resurrection, good overcoming evil and these are all universal story themes that make for exciting experiences in books, in movie theaters, music on stage, and all the best stories really come out of ancient themes that are best told in the scriptures themselves. So there is an argument that could be made that every great movie is a “Christian” movie at heart because when good overcomes evil or someone kills the dragon and wins the beautiful woman and restores her back to safety, or a man is providing and protecting those who trusted him, these are Biblical themes, not really revolutionary ideas. These aren’t pagan ideas! Pagan ideas are stories about how the guy rolls into town, kills everyone, throws the woman on his back and rides off into the sunset to enjoy all of the spoils of war for himself. Those are the anti heroes, so “Christian” films, I think, are the best kinds of film because they are faithful to the story and people are doing their job of being good story tellers. I’m getting a little philosophical there so I’ll try to be more direct in what I’m saying.

With technology today, those who understand how to tell great stories are able to make them look better.
We’ve got red camera’s we all have our DSR’s, our Final Cut programs, and we can all make movies, even if you’re 15 years old you can make a great movie. So, I think all films will be getting better in terms of the visuals, the effects and the way things look and sound, but storytelling is going to be good and bad everywhere you look. The best stories will always be the ones that resonate in the hearts of people, where those things are always rooted in the ultimate story, which is the story of God and His creation and creations rebellion against Him and of Him sacrificing in order to restore that which He loves back to Himself. There are also the stories of God putting the beast under His foot and beautifying the bride. Those are always going to be the best stories and movies and that’s why you see movies with those themes always do the best at the box office.

MF:  There are a few other areas I want to make sure I touch on. What about the controversy of Facebook and Youtube, in your words, what happened and was their a conspiracy or effort to stop the promotion of your work? Some are especially wondering this when it seems as if it was presented as an effort of these groups to stop your work, when in reality, both mediums contain a great deal of conservative Christian views. Why the Kirk Cameron effort and not the others who speak with a conservative voice?

KC: Well, do a search yourself. You can look on Facebook or YouTube and you can find videos of extremist cutting the heads off of live people, I would say that might rightly be categorized as unsafe or abusive. You can find pages about killing someone, say killing police officers, and maybe even another one that says the Virgin Mary ought to have aborted. Those things aren’t shut down. Why my movie about Faith, Hope and Love and finding God in the face of tragedy would be blocked from having people being able to post the trailer or link to the content? I have no idea who would do something like that or why they would do it. My guess is that there is enough people who don’t like that message that perhaps they just clicked that report a problem button that you can click, and if enough people do it that it would shut it down. I imagine it was not someone inside of Facebook or YouTube but probably groups of people on the outside who wanted to cause trouble, that would be my guess and that is a good safety mechanism that Facebook has in place. I’m thankful for that, nonetheless, there are millions of people who want to see my movie because they love God and they want to know where He is in the midst of their tragedy and suffering. I’m glad they spoke up and I’m grateful that YouTube and Facebook reinstated us rather quickly.

MF: Regarding your new film, Unstoppable, it looks promising, tell us some about it and why you are using a one night only concept for the showing of the film in theaters? Also, for those that want to see Unstoppable, will DVD options be available in the future?

KC: First, the premise of the film, from where I sit, I have been volunteering at a camp that my wife and I
started 23 years ago for terminally ill children.

MF:  That’s Camp Firefly?

KC: That’s right, and for 23 years we have been bringing families to a one week all-expense paid vacation. You can look that up at campfirefly.com. We’ve had over 160 families come and we got to be very close with them and when these children pass a way and die, the question always comes up and in fact is one of the top 5 questions in the world, it’s the question that wrecks peoples faith quicker than anything else, “Where is God? If God is good where is He in the midst of my tragedy? Where is He, why does He allow evil in the world?” This is the type of questions that skeptics love to throw, my God, my God like a fiery Molotov into faith communities to scatter God’s people to leave their churches. So, I want to face it head on, not only for those reasons but my own personal reasons. This is personal to me, one of my friends died and I was praying that God would heal him. I would like to know the answer to that question. So that’s why I did Unstoppable. I know God is there and I have the desire to know why He’s not doing, and doing the things that He is.

As far as a one night release: This is a very unique release of a film and I did the same thing with my last film called Monumental. It was terrific, fun and tens of thousands of fans and families gathering in movie theaters all over the country, all on the same day at the same time and we all watched the film simultaneously as its being broadcast live as a part of an event from Liberty University. Liberty University is the largest, private, non profit university in the country. It’s the largest Christian university in the world, and we are going to have 10,000 students, live and in attendance listening to musical artists like Mandisa and Warren Barfield and some other special guests. Part of that evening will be the Unstoppable movie which will be watched live via satellite. That gives us the opportunity to watch together and then start the conversation together.

As to the third part of the question, as to when can people see it afterwards, to tell you the truth, there will be opportunities 3 months later where people will be able to get it on DVD. There may be some other opportunities in between that but that’s not something I can really talk about. 

MF: Last thing Kirk, It seems as if Kirk Cameron has in some ways become the face of Christianity, are you comfortable with that?

KC:  Whoever is saying that better take a picture because my face is changing constantly (both of us laughing here) I’m getting older by the day. (Lots of laughter) Every grey hair and every wrinkle is proof to me that time is marching on.

MF:  I think the Miami Vice look with the beard stubble is quite fetching, (Both laughing) the stubble and all.

KC: (both still laughing) That’s too much, too much. Yeah, well take a picture now because I’m not going to look like this for long. You know, I’m just thankful to be alive. I’m still alive and kicking and I want to do everything I can to present a cutting edge, fresh perspective, offering hope and strength, faith, joy, and perseverance in a world and in a life that is very challenging. The good news is that I believe we have victory written all over us through the Gospel. The Gospel doesn’t loose. The Gospel wins and is winning. I want people to understand, there is victory in the midst of temporary tragedy. I want to show them where it is.

MF: As one who believes they are called into the gift of evangelism, specific to plant seeds, it is nice to know there are those who are called to close the deal and be a part of the process. So from that perspective, keep up the good work of telling others about Jesus.

KC: Thank you Mike, and you as well, I look forward to reading the story on Hollywood Jesus when it is done. 

MF:  Thanks to you Kirk, God bless you.

KC:  Thanks to you again as well Mike, and God bless you.

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Friday, August 23, 2013

You're Next

Let’s get one issue out of the box, right off the bat, I will admit, I like horror, especially good horror. I will also admit, right of the bat, I don’t like bad horror. Now to clear up another expected misconception, I review film, I hardly endorse it. Some people think I endorse film simply because I review it, wrong! This view irritates me to the max. So, now that I have that off my chest, let me start, a new release I expect to do incredibly well on opening weekend is the release of the new slasher film, You’re Next. I went out with some friends for the advance because it was available to see. I didn’t expect much from the trailers, didn’t really want to see this movie as I am not generally a fan of slasher films but I decided to go anyway. What did I get? Exactly what I expected.

You’re Next starts off with a couple engaging in some rather explicit love making, my inward thoughts, (maybe I said something out loud to my friend Robert who was with me) was; their dead! Don’t they know Rule #1 in all horror movies? No Sex! Now to give you fair and advance warning, there is virtually no way to do a review of this film without giving some spoilers, I will try my best not to do it, but be forewarned. Now, back to Rule #1, opening sequence, involves sex, seemingly for no other reason than to show the sex, by the way, like I said, everyone should know Rule #1 prior to being someplace where there is creepy music (not the soundtrack it was actually quite nice hearing long time favorite Dwight Twilley) but the soundtrack, situation, back in the woods away from everyone else, well, remember Rule #1.

Shortly thereafter we are introduced to a rather strange and large family. We see a mom and dad driving back into the countryside to their seasonal home. While the home is large and isolated they are going there to celebrate 35 years of marriage. There have been some psychological issues but things are looking up for the wife. During the first couple of days there are a few strange occurrences in the house but all the children arrive along with boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands and wives. The family is together and like many families there is conflict and sibling rivalry. Mom and Dad don’t care though; they feel blessed that the family is back together. They sit down for dinner, complete as a family with guests on the first night they are all together. They pray over the meal they are about to eat in an apparent sincere way. One of the boyfriends notices something outside, goes to look and during the midst of an argument between two brothers he is shot through the head with an arrow from a crossbow. Immediately the onslaught starts and a blood fest takes place over the next 90 minutes or so. What happens on screen next may be enough to garnish the favor and awards from film festivals and patrons but I just didn’t enjoy it.

You’re Next is a low budget film and it shows, from the sound to the direction, to the very predictable plot I
wasn’t impressed. The acting at times is okay and the exception is Sharni Vinson the Australian actress who plays the part of the heroine, Erin. She is exceptional at playing a believable heroine who as a strong woman who caries the load not only within the plot of the movie, but in many ways, for the movie itself. Oh yeah I did enjoy the Dwight Twilly songs in the soundtrack even though I heard them, over, and over, and over.

There are themes in You’re Next that I think worthy of discussion, including how it seems that many in our society have a lackluster perspective of the family. While sibling rivalries are to be expected, one has to wonder, has the family unit gone the way of the dinosaur? We see presented here, a mother and father who have gone through some difficulty, from the actions and attitudes of their children one wonders of the contribution the children may have played in the ultimate downfall of this family. Families in general, now don’t sit around the table, don’t play, they compete, fall apart and out of love with each other. While there are evil people involved in this story, the real tragedy is rooted in the lack of and inability of this family to legitimately love and care for each other. It is unfortunately more about the individual than it is the family unit. There is no respect for the parents and what they have gone through in life. While many of the patrons in the half way filled auditorium I saw this film in laughed throughout the movie, I didn’t, I found the movie poorly made but also sad in its themes. Is this what we have come to? Is there no hope for loving families anymore?

For me, outside of the good job done, and the strong female themes played out particularly by Sharni Vinson, I found this movie to be a waste of time and money. While the themes regarding the breakdown of the family are worthy of discussion, I can’t help but wonder, could the family, especially the mother and father, have done a better job at teaching their children about a relationship with God as opposed to just knowing of God? I wondered are we as a society doing any better today. Do we run the risks presented here, not of a bunch of killers with masks killing us off one by one, but instead, of us as families growing a part day by day. There are lessons here not just for the family unit but also this thing called church, which often refers to itself, as a family. It is here, in the not knowing, loving, and sharing in life together that I wonder, are we all experiencing the potential horrors represented in You’re Next?

Due to not really enjoying myself at all, seeing a movie where the themes and plots have been done far better many times before, I unfortunately give this movie a rather distasteful review. On a scale of 1 – 10 for the things three things they were lacking in life, The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I give a very disheartening 3

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Friday, July 19, 2013

The Conjuring, The Battle of Good Vs. Evil

Horror, no other genre of film offends as much as this except for pornography. While the criticism of one is justifiable, that of porn, I have always felt the criticism of the other is not as justified as some think. I have said for years, and still do, no other genre of film portrays the battle of good vs. evil or the power of light over darkness better than Horror. With the release of The Conjuring, we not only have one of the scariest movies in years but possibly the scariest movie ever. It is surprisingly spiritual with a strong emphasis on we overcome evil with God, and God alone. The other startling, statement is the devil exists and he and his demons are out to destroy all that is good.

The Conjuring is presented as a more true than not story.  It is the story of a haunting that took place and according to many still takes place in Harrisville Rhode Island. The movie is the story of the Perron family who lived in the house for approximately 10 years starting in 1970. The experienced haunting in the house shortly after moving in and according to Andrea Perron in her book House of Darkness, House of Light, the day they moved into the house. The events in the house became so severe that they eventually brought in the assistance of the Warren’s played in the film by Vera Farmiga, most recently of the television show Bates Hotel and Patrick Wilson who plays the part of Ed Warren. Farmiga plays the part of Lorraine Warren. The real Lorraine Warren has a brief cameo in the film. 

The Warren’s noted for their paranormal investigations over the years, including their investigations in the real Amityville Horror tale are also noted for their faith and belief that ghosts are manifestations of demons. Much like The Amityville Horror there is likely to be controversy surrounding this tale as to what is true and what is not. The producers and Perron family, including the two parents and all 5 children claim the film is true with the exception of a few dramatic licenses. Even in some of those licenses though, there is truth but related to other events with other individuals. The story line is scary, thought provoking and entertaining. 

The Conjuring is a well crafted film and one that will easily recover the $12,000,000 it cost to make. The cast is superb. I especially enjoyed the work by Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga but the supporting cast all around. There are several things in this movie one needs to pay attention to, especially to understand the excellent craftsmanship by director James Wan. First and foremost I recommend paying attention to the sound and editing. I believe a possible Oscar nomination for editing, it is par excellence. The scare tactics used here are at times expected, other times not, yet they will have you jumping out of your seat, even at times screaming out loud, there are genuine scare moments. The other area regarding sound is an area I want to make sure to mention. I not only suspect an Oscar nomination here, this movie has to presently be a odds on favorite for the award. I have seen few films that use the concepts of sound as powerfully. The Conjuring plays not only on our visual senses but it powerfully plays on our emotions and hearing. Sound is a powerful tool and the use of sound here is as powerful as any movie I have seen. That with a well scripted tale, wonderful use of light and a script that meshes together. This movie not only scares the viewer but entertains them.

This film reeks (in a good way) with spiritual overtones. Many will consider it the scariest movie ever; others will say that it is the scariest movie since The Exorcist. The amazing thing is this movie and The Exorcist both deal with Demonic Possession and both were based on true stories. I personally liked The Conjuring better and that says something for me. There is an even stronger message related to the ability of good to overcome evil, light to penetrate and overcome dark, and ultimately, the ability of God to defeat Satan. Unfortunately, I suspect many people of faith will be as critical of this film as they have been of horror and supernatural themes, including exorcism and demonic possession as they have been in the past. That is a shame, especially with such strong Biblical themes regarding demonic possession, even the son of God, Jesus Christ performing demonic exorcisms along with his disciples. Many people of faith seem to choose to live in a world where they ignore the reality of evil, yet that evil clearly exists. At some point it is in understanding evil and the fear of evil that one becomes best equipped to defeat the evil around them and in the lives of those they love. In real life The Warren’s seemed to understand this and it is portrayed excellently in The Conjuring.

In the battle against evil another perspective presented in a thought provocative way is the reality that when attacking evil, that evil in return will attack not just those attacking it but the families and loved ones of those attacking it. In one poignant scene; Ed Warren is placing crosses around the Parren’s house. He is asked what he is doing and he explains the power of the cross. He also makes a profound statement, the demons and spirits hate it, in fact, “it pisses them off,” so much so that the person(s) attacking the evil forces can expect to be attacked from those “pissed off entities.” We see this come about and it is a powerful reminder of the reality of the forces many face. People of faith who choose to engage in the battle I believe God has called us to in various places in the Bible know this. We need to remember; when the Bible says, “The gates of Hell will not prevail against us,” the implication is that we are on the attack, not sitting back, we aren’t to hide from, stay away from, we are to be on the attack, the bible makes clear, we are not in a battle against flesh and blood but against principalities and darkness. We have many reminders in the Bible including, “That greater is he who is in us than he who is in the world!” While many may choose to stay out of the battle of good and evil, the reality is the battle goes on around us. The other reality is this, we need to prepare, movies like this I believe help those of faith understand the need of preparation and for those without faith, the reality of the evil that exists around us.

For those who read my reviews you know I normally withhold from a lot of spiritual commentary but it is impossible to review a film of this nature without doing so because the message and theme related to spirituality is so strong. I love movies like this when they are well done and The Conjuring is done exceptionally.

There were only a few areas I thought The Conjuring could have been tightened up; a little more character development would have been nice but the movie still worked. For this reason, on a scale of 1 – 10, for the number of letters in conjuring, I give a well deserved; almost perfect 9 for this film. I consider it a must see for all people of faith, seeking truth in spirituality, or even those questioning the reality of evil. Many may not like it for various reasons but it doesn’t change the reality of the spiritual forces around us and the attacks of evil on all of that which is good and from God.

Now from those people of faith who will be critical without seeing the movie, who think all things horror is evil, (except all those horror stories in the scripture) let the criticism not begin, but continue. 

Visit the following web site to read up more on the real story of The Conjuring:  http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/conjuring.php 

You can also see a review of the film, by the real life Andrea Perron, one of the people who lived the experience, to see the review simply click on the video below.  If the video doesn’t appear, click on the following link:

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