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Monday, February 10, 2014

Touching Rock N Roll History, An Interview with Mickey Jones

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A number of years ago I had the honor of interviewing rock n roll legend, Mickey Jones.  Mickey was the drummer for Bob Dylan on the Electric Tour, the tour that changed the world.  With all of the Beatles discussion as of late, I thought it appropriate to track this interview down, and re-post it.  So that all said, here goes, a blast from the past that touches Rock N Roll history.

Mike: Hey Mickey, I want to first of all thank you for taking the time to talk to me and give me some of your insights to the new movie The Fighting Temptations. Mickey, a lot of people have no idea who you are when they hear your name but certainly know you when they see your face. Can you tell us some of the roles you have played in television and movies?

Mickey: That is the life of a character actor. I have done roughly 80 films but most notably, National Lampoon's Vacation with Chevy Chase, Starman with Jeff Bridges, Dean Bang with Don Johnson, Total Recall with Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sling Blade with Billy Bob Thornton and Tin Cup with Kevin Costner. I also did the main song in the movie called The Double Bogey Blues. It is on the soundtrack album as well. I've done about 400 TV shows but the best was the 8 years I did with Tim Allen on Home Improvement. I've done over 300 commercials but the most remembered is also the most aired commercial ever in the history of television where I played the big biker with the little old lady on the subway for Breath Savers.

Mike: You seem to be cast quite often as a character actor, playing specific roles, kind of the down and out or rough guy with a motorcycle guy kind of role, how close are those characters in real life to the real Mickey Jones?

Mickey: I do ride a motorcycle but I very seldom kill anybody in real life. I do play a lot of bad guys which are fun to do as a character actor but they are nothing close to my real life. In my real life, my wife and I are both Christians. I will say some certain words if they are right for the character but I will not take the Lord's name in vain even as a character. I did it once and have regretted it ever since. It was in the film Starman. I still cringe when I see that scene. Unfortunately, they is forever.

Mike: I noticed that you help host a motorcycle rally on a regular basis, what is that all about and what is the purpose of the rally?

Mickey:
I host a number of motorcycle events around the country every year for charity. The biggest event I host is The Mickey Jones CHOC Ride and Blues Festival. We raise money for CHOC (Children's Hospital of Orange County). I also host a ride in Cocoa Beach, Florida for ARC-Brevard. That is the Association of Retarded Citizens. October 25th I will be hosting the first annual Laci Peterson Memorial Ride in Modesto, CA. I just hosted G.A.M.E., The Great American Motorcycle Experience in Las Vegas, NV and I host The Sam's Town River Run in Tunica, MS. I love to ride and until September 19th of this year, I was the Celebrity Spokesman for Indian Motorcycle. On Sept. 19th, they closed the doors and went out of business.

Mike: You are in a movie that is doing quite nicely right now called The Fighting Temptations, what would you say are the central themes of the movie?

Mickey: I hope everyone will go see this film. Of the 80 some odd films that I have done, I think I am more proud of this one that any film I have ever done. There are no machine guns, no car crashes and no explosions. I usually cut 2 or 3 peoples throats before I get killed but not in this film. I play this redneck pig farmer who becomes the organist for the Beulah Baptist Church Gospel Choir. The is no foul language and no nudity. You can actually take your whole family to this film. It is hysterically funny, it will grab your heart and you will walk out of the theatre feeling like a million bucks. I can't remember the last time I walked out of a Hollywood film feeling like a million bucks. It stars Cuba Gooding Jr. and Beyonce' Knowles and you will love it. It is all about the music.

Mike: Can you tell us what it was like working with the cast of The Fighting Temptations? And of course any inside scoop not commonly known would be appreciate, in a fun way of course.

Mickey: The cast actually became a family. I would sometimes go to the set just to see some of the gospel music even if I was not in the scene. I had to go see Reverend Shirley Caesar. They are the best gospel choir in the world. Another thing that happened on this film that I have never seen on any film I have ever worked on. There were days that the cast would pray, in the van, on the way to work. We all did this movie for God

Mike: Can you tell me some about how you got the part of Scooter and what it was about the character that attracted you to him?

Mickey: When I read the script and first went in to meet the director, Jonathon Lynn, I knew that I wanted this part. I have always asked God to put me in a film that would glorify Him and this was one film that I actually asked God to give me this job. I fell in love with Scooter and I knew I could smoke him. As a musician, there was no way that I could not deliver the goods. I also liked the fact that Scooter was a principal figure in the film. He was one of the Fighting Temptations. I hope the film does well because all of the principal actors, the Fighting Temptations, are already signed to a sequel.

Mike: It is unusual that a movie such a strong Spiritual backdrop be made by MTV. Did that surprise you after you read the script?

Mickey: I was a little surprised but because it is all about the music, I understood completely. I think MTV helped arrange some of the vocal artists in the film.

Mike: What was your specific interest in making the movie?

Mickey: First, all of us actors are always looking for work but when something comes along that you dream about, you jump at the chance.

Mike: I have read that T-Bone did a lot of praying and sharing of his faith on the set with the actors, even helped some of them become Christians? What was your thought to this and was it something that normally takes place when a Christian is in movie?

Mickey: T-Bone is an incredible person. I got to know him very well and it is true, his spirit covered the set and I am sure he brought some folks to the Lord. He was one of the ones responsible for the praying on the way to work. We talked and shared at lengths and I thank God for his presence and his friendship.

Mike: How did the producers and director respond to the Spiritual things, specifically related to Christianity that took place on the movie set?

Mickey: One of the producers, Loretha Jones, who was also one of the music producers was a blessing on the set as well and loved the atmosphere of Christianity that was present all the time.

Mike: I know from what you told me before that you had had an interview with Focus on the Family, a Christian organization, how did that come about?

Mickey: One night in Columbus GA while we were shooting the Gospel Explosion segment, I read the memo from our publicist, Cassandra Butcher and found that one of the press people on the set the next day was from Focus On The Family. I called her and told her that I wanted to do something with the Focus folks. I am a big fan of Dr. James Dobson. I spent about a half an hour with them doing the interview. Unfortunately nothing ever appeared in their newsletter.

Mike: Can you tell us some about your faith and relationship with Jesus Christ?

Mickey: I became a Christian when I was 14 years old. I got saved and asked Jesus to come into my heart at a Christian camp when I was in junior high school. Now, with that said, I lived a portion of my life in a way that God would not be proud of. I was in the world. God was always in my heart but I disappointed him many times. I have been married to my wife, Phyllis, for the past 23 years and I have tried to live the way God wants us all to live. Several years ago, she asked me, "Do you want us to be yoked together in Heaven?" My reply was, "What a silly question, of course I do". She said, "Well, you better get in the Book." I was heartbroken. I grabbed my tail between my legs and felt ashamed. Because of her encouragement, I have been reading the Bible everyday. I wake up early and go to my chair and lamp in our den and spend time with the Lord in the Book. I look forward to that every morning before I turn on the TV or even breakfast. I have almost read the entire Bible. When I do finish, I will continue to read it again. I'm sure I will do this the rest of my life. A couple of years ago we went to Israel and the Bible came alive for me. Now when I read, it is like watching a movie on a big screen in front of my eyes. It's funny, when we were in Caesarea, we were told the story of Cornelius, the Roman Centurion who summoned Peter from Joffa because he wanted to know about this Jesus guy. He sent 6 of his guards to fetch Peter and when Peter told him of Jesus, Cornelius fell on his knees and became a Christian. I was very moved with this story. When we got back home, I picked up my Bible the next morning and by Book mark opened me to the story of Cornelius. Believe me, that was not a coincidence.

Mike: A lot of people are critical of movies, but it seems as if movies are addressing spiritual issues more and more, have you noticed that and what are your thoughts on it?

Mickey: I am not thrilled with most of the Hollywood movies. I do not see many movies that are based on God. I saw Bad Boys 2 recently and I heard the F word 40 times in the first 5 minutes. I think that is a turn off to most movie goers. It is to me. I guess that is one of the reasons that I am so excited about The Fighting Temptations. I have people stop me on the street and tell me that they saw the movie and loved every minute of it. In fact, they are going to see it again because they want to take somebody with them. That is a good sign.

Mike: What do you say to the Christians and others who are critical of movies?

Mickey: It is not my place to judge others. I am only responsible for me.

Mike: How much of a responsibility do Christians have to be involved in the "Hollywood" movie making process, and is there presence really felt?

Mickey: As a Christian, it is a responsibility to stand up for our beliefs. I will never be ashamed to let folks know that He is my God. In order to continue to work, we must make some concessions but taking God's name in vain is not one that I will make. I feel His presence everyday.

Mike: There is a scene in the movie where the prison guards bring in the inmates and are holding guns, there is a comment by one of the characters that guns are not allowed in church. You are playing the organ and reach in your pants pull out your gun, set it on top of the organ and say something like, "Well somebody should have told me that." I personally loved that scene and the parts with you in them are among my favorites, including that particular scene. It seems as if some Christians are so critical of peoples actions without ever talking to them about those actions and why those actions might be wrong. That scene kind of illustrated that. I would be interested to hear your comments as to things of that nature in this particular scene and others that The Fighting Temptations seems to try and address; the attitudes of non acceptance of those who "are different", and areas where people in the church and those who don't go to church just don't seem to understand each other.

Mickey: I loved that scene as well. There was a line cut of the movie that I really loved but when you hear the line, you will know why it was cut. The additional line was, "You know, Charlton Heston played Moses, I just figured we was all on the same team." Paramount elected to remove the line because Charlton Heston had just announced that he had been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. In order to be politically correct, the line had to be removed. However, it was a funny line. I own guns. A lot of people seemed to forget that our founding fathers wrote into the Constitution, the second amendment, the right to bear arms. It is not connected with the phrase, "in a regulated militia" either. Guns have saved more lives than have been accidentally taken.

Mike: While The Fighting Temptations seems to address issues related to the churches acceptance of those often forgotten about, those sometimes called, "The Lost, The Last and The Least" it is also done so with respect. What was the general attitude of how those involved with church should be approached in the character development?

Mickey: I think it is important to note that in the film that some are persecuted but all are welcome in the end.

Mike: You are an organ player among other things in the movie. As a musician myself it really looked like you were a legitimate musician? Are you or are you that good of an actor? Also if you have been involved in music in what ways have you been involved?

Mickey: This will be a fun question to answer. I spent 23 years in the music business. I have 17 gold and platinum albums on the wall of my home. I was the drummer for Trini Lopez for 8 years, Johnny Rivers for 3 years, Bob Dylan for 2 years, (I was the original drummer with The Band) and 10 years with Kenny Rogers and The First Edition. I play drums, guitar and a little piano.

Mike: (Note Added after interview) I must state that Mickey did answer the question regarding if he really played in the movie. Producer Jonathan Lynn made a request that I will honor along with Mickey. In other words you will have to see the movie yourself and decide if you think Mickey is answering. It is one of the Studio Secrets of this movie.)

Mike: One of the great things about this movie is it's incorporation of R&B, Rap, Hip-Hop, some southern feels, and even Blues and Gospel all forming music that is accepted and played in a church. How much fun was it making those musical scenes in the movie, and what lessons could the church learn about the incorporation of various styles of music in their worship services?

Mickey: No one will ever know how much fun it was to make this movie. Everyday was a new concert. I am not a big fan of rap but I fell in love with Zane and T-Bone. I would go in on my days off just to watch the Shirley Caesar Gospel Choir. I did not want to miss a minute of the wonderful performances in the film. I sang on a couple of the songs in the film. We had more fun in the recording studio. I got to sing with The OJs. How cool is that? I told the director that we had become such good friends that I was going to record a CD with The OJs. It was going the be called The OJs and a Cracker. I thought he would fall out of his chair. Like I said, it is about the music. One of my favorite artists is Darrell Mansfield. He plays Christian blues. All music is welcome in the eyes of God.

Mike: What is on the horizon for Mickey Jones, what movies roles or anything that you are excited about?

Mickey: I recently released a 90 minute documentary on the 1966 Bob Dylan First Electric World Tour. It was the first tour when Bob played electric around the world. I was his original drummer. When we started the tour, the group was called The Hawks. None of the press ever referred to us as The Hawks. All they ever said was The Band is too loud, The Band should go back to America, so that's how we got the name, The Band. You can order it out our website, www.1966tourhomemovies.com. It is a real musical history of my life. I recently shot a film in Centerville, Iowa. It is called "Iowa". It is a pretty violent film. It is about the crystal meth capitol of the world. It should come out next spring.

Mike: Mickey, I must say that this has been a thrill for me, I have respected your characters for years in movies and it is great knowing that you are a brother in Christ and call Jesus your Rock. I just want to give you the opportunity to say anything you would like before the conclusion of the interview.

Mickey: My wife told me something once that has stuck with me and I think about it all the time. "If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything". God wants us to stand up for him. I will not fall for this left wing attack on Christians. I will not fall for this Godless society that we live in today. I already read the back of the book, I know who wins, WE DO!


The following video is a quite informative video on Mickey, to see it click on the video, if the video doesn't appear, click on the link:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2ptH_OkscM




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Tuesday, September 17, 2013

Interview with Kirk Cameron



Over the years I have had the opportunity to interview and meet many celebrities, sometimes athletes, actors, musicians and I have to admit, there are times I get a little giddy. I heard about an opportunity with Kirk Cameron and to be honest about it, it was at first a so so moment. I have never really been a fan of Cameron’s, never seen an episode of Growing Pains and haven’t been the biggest fan of The Way of the Master. Unfortunately, the movies I had seen him in with Christian themes were disappointing. I was among the throngs of people looking forward to the release of The Left Behind movies and was extremely disappointed with the overall quality of the movies once they were released. While Cameron did a fair job in his biggest hit, Fireproof, I was still disappointed with other components of the film including the many in the supporting cast. It was watchable though which was more than I could say about The Left Behind movies. Despite my own feelings about Cameron’s work which I had seen what I soon learned when releasing the news of my upcoming interview with him was that he had a huge following. It wasn’t that I didn’t like him; I just wasn’t a fan. 

His new project Unstoppable was something that looked interesting to me; it is to be a one night only theatrical event which focuses on the question of when bad things happen to good people in a documentary style. In my own experiences in sharing my faith it is without a doubt one of the most asked questions of people who are going through tough times, or seeking to question the reality of God. The trailers for this project look promising and Cameron is intriguing in the small bits of the film I have seen. So I begin my efforts to prepare for the Cameron interview. I asked my friends what they would ask, complied some of their questions with mine and proceeded to talk to him. While the interview started off a little rough, (I felt his answer to the question regarding his evangelical techniques with Way of the Master was scripted and came off as if he were reading it) the interview shortly moved into more of a positive place, including laughter and what I felt was a sincere Kirk Cameron, a guy I could like and enjoy spending some time with.  What follows is a part of that interview that starts off with Kirk giving me a phone call.

Kirk Cameron (KC): Hi Mike Kirk Cameron here.

Mike Furches (MF): Hi Kirk, how are you doing?

KC: Doing great, how about you?

MF: Doing good, real good in fact.

KC: I’m out here on the West Coast, where are you at?

MF: I’m in Wichita Kansas.

KC:  Oh My!

MY: Yeah, I write for 3 web sites, The Virtual Pew, Spirituality in Film and of course the biggie and granddaddy of them all, Hollywood Jesus.

I’m looking forward to the interview, some of the folks and friends at Facebook and other places have indicated that they think I am a good choice to speak to you because I tend to be blunt and to the point. I’ve also seen enough interviews with you to know that you can handle it. (Laughter from me and Kirk)

KC:  Well that’s good and I’ll try not to go out to be too rough on you either.

MF:  You don’t have to go rough on me; you don’t have much of a reason to be that rough.  (Again laughter from the two of us)

 Anyway, I do have a few questions and I certainly want to respect your time, so I’ll jump right in if that is okay.

KC: Certainly, I appreciate you taking the time to talk to me.

MF:  I’m glad to do it.

This is a question I have had from another individual to ask you. It seems that a lot of your methods from WOTM are controversial, even among strong evangelicals, some say they are manipulative at times and are disrespectful, your thoughts as you are a great person to answer this question or thought?

KC: (laughter) Well, let’s see, I can tell you that my goal is to always be kind and to be gracious to always be willing to speak in kindness of what I  believe to be the truth, again, in a loving and gracious manner. So obviously I had a major change of heart and a major change of in my life when someone shared the Gospel with me. Today, I am a recovering Atheist and I am so grateful today that someone took the time to expose my sin and point me to the cross and my need for a Savior. Now some might say that the person who did that with me may have been disrespectful toward my lifestyle or intolerant of my previous beliefs, but I look at that persona as a hero. They were somebody who helped me to pull my head out of the sand and to smell the coffee so to speak. They helped me lift my eyes to Heaven and to begin to live my life saying ‘Thank you God for being so kind to me. Thank you for pulling me off this path that was leading no where good and for putting my feet on higher ground.’ Today I am so thankful; you look at most of my contemporaries that I grew up with and tragically I can’t even hang out with some of them anymore because their dead or they’re in a lock down facility. Why? Because they continued down a path that seemed right in their own eyes and it’s that Hollywood path that often leads to shame, guilt, fear, destruction and tragedy. I’m so thankful that I’m not there and it started with someone sharing the Gospel with me in a way that I attempt to share with others in my life.

MF: I’ll stray from some of my questions and you gave me a good follow up here.  Have you seen the video of Penn Jillette getting the gift of a bible?  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhG-tkQ_Q2w


KC: I sure have.

MF:  So what you are saying is in some ways, the same thing Penn is saying in the video? That if we really
believe in our faith, in a Heaven or a Hell, then it becomes critical and important to share our faith without compromise?

KC: Yes, and Penn went even further than that by saying and trying to convict people of faith to say, ‘If your not sharing your faith with someone that you believe is in danger, then how much do you really have to hate someone to not share that which you believe can help them?’ That would be the most unloving thing that you could do in other words, that is, to not share your faith with them. I can tell you right now that Penn the Atheist really convicted me and Ray Comfort saw his video. It made us feel like, you know what? We need to do this even more in life!

MF: So the conviction of an Atheist to do even more when it comes to spreading the Gospel?

KC: (Enthusiastically) YES! (Laughing now) that is the irony of that we agree, he is right.

MF: One of the things I have always tried to do is to respect my friends and readers, so this one is another question that comes directly from Facebook. What are your thoughts on Christian film and the criticism that there normally put out there including there isn’t much of a story, poor acting, poor special effects etc...  Do you think the future looks better for Christian film, and can you give some examples that give indication of that?

KC:  That’s a really good question and I have to think about it. (About 15 seconds of silence before he responds) Let me tell you something; first are you recording or writing?

MF:  I learned a long time ago to record.

KC:  That’s great, so let me tell you something about Christian film. You know, film is film. It is a very interesting discussion to talk about what makes something a “Christian” film. I’m looking at your web site, Hollywood Jesus right now and I see “Man of Steel, Jesus in Chains.” You can also look at The Chronicles of Narnia, The Passion of the Christ and a thousand different movies about heroes and damsels in distress, killing the dragon, rescuing the woman, stories about war and redemption, betrayal and sacrifice, death and resurrection, good overcoming evil and these are all universal story themes that make for exciting experiences in books, in movie theaters, music on stage, and all the best stories really come out of ancient themes that are best told in the scriptures themselves. So there is an argument that could be made that every great movie is a “Christian” movie at heart because when good overcomes evil or someone kills the dragon and wins the beautiful woman and restores her back to safety, or a man is providing and protecting those who trusted him, these are Biblical themes, not really revolutionary ideas. These aren’t pagan ideas! Pagan ideas are stories about how the guy rolls into town, kills everyone, throws the woman on his back and rides off into the sunset to enjoy all of the spoils of war for himself. Those are the anti heroes, so “Christian” films, I think, are the best kinds of film because they are faithful to the story and people are doing their job of being good story tellers. I’m getting a little philosophical there so I’ll try to be more direct in what I’m saying.

With technology today, those who understand how to tell great stories are able to make them look better.
We’ve got red camera’s we all have our DSR’s, our Final Cut programs, and we can all make movies, even if you’re 15 years old you can make a great movie. So, I think all films will be getting better in terms of the visuals, the effects and the way things look and sound, but storytelling is going to be good and bad everywhere you look. The best stories will always be the ones that resonate in the hearts of people, where those things are always rooted in the ultimate story, which is the story of God and His creation and creations rebellion against Him and of Him sacrificing in order to restore that which He loves back to Himself. There are also the stories of God putting the beast under His foot and beautifying the bride. Those are always going to be the best stories and movies and that’s why you see movies with those themes always do the best at the box office.

MF:  There are a few other areas I want to make sure I touch on. What about the controversy of Facebook and Youtube, in your words, what happened and was their a conspiracy or effort to stop the promotion of your work? Some are especially wondering this when it seems as if it was presented as an effort of these groups to stop your work, when in reality, both mediums contain a great deal of conservative Christian views. Why the Kirk Cameron effort and not the others who speak with a conservative voice?

KC: Well, do a search yourself. You can look on Facebook or YouTube and you can find videos of extremist cutting the heads off of live people, I would say that might rightly be categorized as unsafe or abusive. You can find pages about killing someone, say killing police officers, and maybe even another one that says the Virgin Mary ought to have aborted. Those things aren’t shut down. Why my movie about Faith, Hope and Love and finding God in the face of tragedy would be blocked from having people being able to post the trailer or link to the content? I have no idea who would do something like that or why they would do it. My guess is that there is enough people who don’t like that message that perhaps they just clicked that report a problem button that you can click, and if enough people do it that it would shut it down. I imagine it was not someone inside of Facebook or YouTube but probably groups of people on the outside who wanted to cause trouble, that would be my guess and that is a good safety mechanism that Facebook has in place. I’m thankful for that, nonetheless, there are millions of people who want to see my movie because they love God and they want to know where He is in the midst of their tragedy and suffering. I’m glad they spoke up and I’m grateful that YouTube and Facebook reinstated us rather quickly.

MF: Regarding your new film, Unstoppable, it looks promising, tell us some about it and why you are using a one night only concept for the showing of the film in theaters? Also, for those that want to see Unstoppable, will DVD options be available in the future?

KC: First, the premise of the film, from where I sit, I have been volunteering at a camp that my wife and I
started 23 years ago for terminally ill children.

MF:  That’s Camp Firefly?

KC: That’s right, and for 23 years we have been bringing families to a one week all-expense paid vacation. You can look that up at campfirefly.com. We’ve had over 160 families come and we got to be very close with them and when these children pass a way and die, the question always comes up and in fact is one of the top 5 questions in the world, it’s the question that wrecks peoples faith quicker than anything else, “Where is God? If God is good where is He in the midst of my tragedy? Where is He, why does He allow evil in the world?” This is the type of questions that skeptics love to throw, my God, my God like a fiery Molotov into faith communities to scatter God’s people to leave their churches. So, I want to face it head on, not only for those reasons but my own personal reasons. This is personal to me, one of my friends died and I was praying that God would heal him. I would like to know the answer to that question. So that’s why I did Unstoppable. I know God is there and I have the desire to know why He’s not doing, and doing the things that He is.

As far as a one night release: This is a very unique release of a film and I did the same thing with my last film called Monumental. It was terrific, fun and tens of thousands of fans and families gathering in movie theaters all over the country, all on the same day at the same time and we all watched the film simultaneously as its being broadcast live as a part of an event from Liberty University. Liberty University is the largest, private, non profit university in the country. It’s the largest Christian university in the world, and we are going to have 10,000 students, live and in attendance listening to musical artists like Mandisa and Warren Barfield and some other special guests. Part of that evening will be the Unstoppable movie which will be watched live via satellite. That gives us the opportunity to watch together and then start the conversation together.

As to the third part of the question, as to when can people see it afterwards, to tell you the truth, there will be opportunities 3 months later where people will be able to get it on DVD. There may be some other opportunities in between that but that’s not something I can really talk about. 

MF: Last thing Kirk, It seems as if Kirk Cameron has in some ways become the face of Christianity, are you comfortable with that?

KC:  Whoever is saying that better take a picture because my face is changing constantly (both of us laughing here) I’m getting older by the day. (Lots of laughter) Every grey hair and every wrinkle is proof to me that time is marching on.

MF:  I think the Miami Vice look with the beard stubble is quite fetching, (Both laughing) the stubble and all.

KC: (both still laughing) That’s too much, too much. Yeah, well take a picture now because I’m not going to look like this for long. You know, I’m just thankful to be alive. I’m still alive and kicking and I want to do everything I can to present a cutting edge, fresh perspective, offering hope and strength, faith, joy, and perseverance in a world and in a life that is very challenging. The good news is that I believe we have victory written all over us through the Gospel. The Gospel doesn’t loose. The Gospel wins and is winning. I want people to understand, there is victory in the midst of temporary tragedy. I want to show them where it is.

MF: As one who believes they are called into the gift of evangelism, specific to plant seeds, it is nice to know there are those who are called to close the deal and be a part of the process. So from that perspective, keep up the good work of telling others about Jesus.

KC: Thank you Mike, and you as well, I look forward to reading the story on Hollywood Jesus when it is done. 

MF:  Thanks to you Kirk, God bless you.

KC:  Thanks to you again as well Mike, and God bless you.

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Wednesday, April 6, 2011

Interview with Jack Watts, Author of Recovering from Religious Abuse, 11 Steps to Spiritual Freedom

I recently had the honor of spending some time talking to Jack Watts the author of
Recovering from Religious Abuse, 11 Steps to Spiritual Freedom. The following is the transcript of that interview. We had a good deal of conversation prior to the interview starting regarding my own experiences and the process of me working through the book. I especially appreciated the willingness of Jack to help me in that process. In that we spoke about the process of recovery and while I am trained as a social worker/mental health professional, I found his comments positive and helpful. The spirit of how the book is written was mirrored in the experience of speaking with him. Now to the interview:

Mike Furches (MF) - Hey Jack, can you tell us some about your new release of Recovering from Religious Abuse, 11 Steps to Spiritual Freedom.

Jack Watts (JW) - If people who are wounded and recognize that they are, God’s people who are living essentially below the radar, living in times where they are eating, spending, drinking too much, watching pornography or anything that can numb the pain because they are alienated from God because of a religious experience where someone has abused them, if they work these 11 steps and go through them, take the time to do the work, they can experience a spiritual renewal and reconnect with God in a new and powerful way. They can rid themselves of all of the debris, filth, and low self esteem that they have had that’s come from the abuse and become the people they were created to be. That’s what they can get from this.

One can go to a Zig Ziegler or Tony Robinson conference or something of the like and most of the people that go there are functioning real well and if they do everything they are told their lives can improve 1 or 2 percent. The people who do these steps are living in negative numbers. They can go from that negativity all the way to profound positive numbers. This can be a dramatic change. This is a huge problem in America, not a little one. Interestingly, there was some research just done by the Barna Group in February. They categorized Americans on their religiosity, and approximately 1/3 is what they call unchurched. When you multiply the numbers including kids; that comes out to a little over 100 million. Of those, 37%, or close to forty-million people are now considered unchurched because they have had such a negative experience with it that they have dropped out completely to the point where they aren’t even marginal, they are just gone from the church. Goodbye! Totally out! Those who have been religiously abused are a large part of those forty-million people, when you think about forty-million people, that is like every man, woman and child in the state of California, or the entire country of Canada. That’s a lot of people. Then you recall Jesus said, to leave the 99 that are saved and to go after the 1 that is lost, and the one that is lost is a sheep. These are sheep, these are people, who have a relationship with the Lord, and yet, they represent 12% of the entire population. That’s a big problem. It’s a huge problem. You want to know something interesting?

MF – What’s that?

JW – The Huffington Post recognized how profound some of this stuff was and they are running articles that I’m writing. The book can be found in every Barnes and Noble in America, but you can’t find it in Lifeway or at Parables, or in Family Bookstores what was the Zondervan chain. It isn’t there because there is such a denial of this problem. That’s huge! It isn’t just pedophile priests and it isn’t just crazy people like who kidnap people like Elizabeth Smart or the situation like here in Atlanta where a pastor is messing around with little boys. This is big time stuff in nearly every major church and Christian ministry in America.

MF - I’m running into the same type of thing with my book The Keystone Kid because it uses some language in it. I can contact 50 churches about going in and doing a presentation that deals with abuse and I may find 2 that let me come in and do it. There seems to be a lot better reception from the non Christian world than even within the Christian world.

JW – Yes!

MF – Why do you think it is that the church is seems to be sweeping the issue under the rug and not dealing with it?

JW – They don’t like the reality of it. It really is so different than it was in the time of Christ. Once Jesus was resurrected, and Pentecost came, and the church started to move away from what we read in the Bible and become an institution, they consistently tried to squelch anything that had to do with the truth. I find that these churches are remarkably in denial. There is a narcissism that is at the head of some of these major ministries, where their view of reality is their own grandiose perception that they have been anointed with a kind of God consciousness. When people get in the way they are just like ‘off with their head’, and they damage people right and left. I’ve worked with major Christian ministries for over a quarter of a century and I have seen it in nearly every one of them where there is this kind of pattern of abuse that exists. Yet, at the same time, there is this love for the lost, the people that they don’t know, but the people they are abusing; they end up not caring two wits about them. They discard them and say a quick prayer and they are done.

MF – While you have kind of answered it to some extent, what moved you to write the book?

JW – Having seen this for so long and being jaded by it, by working for these ministries and doing some of these things, witnessing some of this stuff, it caused me enormous pain. I kept saying, why doesn’t somebody do something about this? In my own recovery from religious abuse; I was an alcoholic for quite a few years, just trying to numb the pain. In developing my own sobriety, which is 18 years now and counting, I recognized that there are certain things that you can do; one step, building upon another, to pull yourself out of the hole of alcoholism and lead not just a good life, but a really fulfilling life. I then said, you know what, this is what the Lord wants for all of his people. I used some of my tools that I have gained in AA and in ALANON to create the 11 Steps to Recovery from Religious Abuse. They are different in that this is not the God of your understanding. This is for Christian people who believe that Jesus Christ is the only son of God and that we have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. This is straight Christian stuff and it is heavily, heavily Biblical. The book is a way for God’s people to reconnect instead of just doing the proverbial, ‘cursing the darkness.’ I decided that I would light a match to help lead people out of the darkness and back into a relationship with the Lord that can be very fulfilling to them. You know what? In our country, if Christian people can be truly united by the Lord, that’s what can turn this nation around. Not making different laws, not saying that in the next election we will get rid of this president and get another one that has different view points. That’s not going to change the nation for long. What will change the nation for long periods of time is if God’s people are restored to Him and He is leading them. Now that works!

MF - The style of the book is different in that it is kind of like a workbook, one that requires some work including journaling, why this approach?

JW – Reading a book isn’t going to help you recover from religious abuse. In reading a book you’ll agree with it, disagree with some things and be done with it, but it really isn’t going to help you. In order to heal, really heal, it takes time, it takes consistent effort, it takes full-searching honesty and you cannot do that in one day, you can’t do it in two days, and you can’t do it in a week. Now you can do it in three months and this is what the 91 days are about, each step taking a week. For some people it will take a little longer, for some maybe a little less, but if you genuinely, really want your life to change, you’ve got to do the work. The way and method is easy, but doing the work is gut wrenchingly hard, because it requires a level of honesty that most people don’t ever get to. You know though, if you are God’s person, you’ve got to be open and if you aren’t then the things won’t work.

The Word of God is alive and powerful, sharper than any two edged sword and it will go to the bone. Bone wrenching, bone splitting honesty is what is required for people who have been abused because in their rebelliousness from this stuff, their acting out behavior, they have done a lot of things that they have to be accountable for too. It can’t be like, ‘well they did this to me and that’s why I’m this way and I’m okay this way.’ That isn’t true, even though a person has been abused, they are still responsible for their own behavior and owning up for what they have done, making amends to the people they have wronged and getting back into an intimate relationship with the Lord.

MF - What are some of the indicators of religious abuse and the long-term consequences?

JW – The long-term consequences are that it destroys people’s lives, period! It destroys people’s lives! Just like alcoholism and other things like it. Spiritual abuse is when someone uses their authority to enhance their own position at another person’s expense, wounding them in the process. In can be done when someone twists scripture too, for example, one may say, you can throw a $20 on the plate and Jesus will give you $200. That’s religious abuse all the time. Telling somebody that God wants you to sleep with me, inappropriate sexuality is always abusiveness. When you humiliate somebody, give them a verbal dressing down because they disagree, not on a spiritual basis land you like living in sin, that’s one thing, but if they’re just not going along with your program , and you use your position of authority to belittle, effect, and impact their self-worth then that’s always religious abuse. The Consequences to the people are profound, life altering!

MF - Why do you think some people abuse?

JW – They believe they are doing what God wants them to do. They get to a place where they believe that their will and God’s will are essentially the same thing. There is no room for any kind of doubt or disagreement. So, they use their authority like a sledgehammer and beat the sheep that they are called to serve. There is a lot of narcissism involved in all of this too.

MF - What would you say is the most important aspect of your own recovery?

JW – The most important thing is always, 2 things. Recognizing and admitting, to yourself, that I am not where I want to be. Recognizing that my life is shipwrecked, and God is not a part of the abuse. People who misuse their authority are the abusers, not God. Now let me say just one more thing about this. Who understands abuse better than Christ? He was beaten, he was spat upon, he was stripped naked, and he was put on a cross, held out as a spectacle and murdered; by whom? Not the Romans, but religious leaders. He was religiously abused. None of us have been murdered for it, but God understands this type of abuse. People get that!

MF - What would be the most important thing you would share with people who have been hurt and abused?

JW- What I just said; that God understands your abuse. He doesn’t like it and he was abused himself, and there is nobody that understands abuse better than someone who has been abused. It’s not esoteric, it’s real.

One other thing that I would want to say, is to the people who read this book, is that you will never, never, never need to go back and sit at the feet of an abuser again. This is reconnecting with the Lord, and what he does with you when you are through, is his business.

Jack and I went on talking, about my own abuse, and the abuse perpetuated by others. Those are personal things, much of which will be included in the journaling blog I am doing. Of course you can continue reading my own 91 day journey by following the blogs at The Virtual Pew. I do believe this though, as stated in the original review for the book, for those going through abuse, or who have been spiritually abused in the religious community, this book can be of help to you, hopefully it will as it has been with me. Jack has assured me that he will follow the blogs and on occasion comment. It can be a place where you can go on my journey with me, but also have the author of the book following along and offering advice from his own experience.

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Tuesday, August 10, 2010

Letters to God, An Interview with Writer Co Director Patrick Doughtie

I recently had the opportunity to speak with Patrick Doughtie the writer and co-director of Letters to God. The interview flowed as a natural conversation and was a little different for me because of my own personal appeal to the movie.

Letters to God is based on Patrick’s son Tyler. I had my own experiences with a little boy named Tyler Graebener who died from cancer when he was 9. I did a lot of work with Tyler over the years and will be forever impacted as a result of my witnessing of the tremendous courage and example of this little boy. Letters to God is a personal journey and story of Patrick’s son who succumbed to a rare form of brain cancer. There is something about the honesty, and life of a child that teaches lessons and has value. Letters to God is a movie and story that shares the wisdom of a child. While there are liberties taken in the story, the lessons, the examples, are very much a part of the reality of Tyler.

As I did a little research on the film I had a spiritual experience. Without me knowing, I discovered some associations with the film. Among those associations included is music from the band Stars Go Dim. I have gotten to know these guys over the last year or so and was surprised to discover one of their songs on the soundtrack for the film. I also discovered that Patrick is based out of Nashville, a city where I have many friends and once lived near. There is also the common concept of both of us losing a loved one to cancer, both who happened to be named Tyler. While much more personal for Patrick, as it is the story of his son, the research still brought back memories for me of the little boy I loved named Tyler. I was reminded of the boy I loved named Tyler and of how movies can impact the lives of people like I had once written of Tyler Graebener.

Patrick shared with me ‘the story of Letters to God is about a little boy who has cancer and writes letters to God, and was inspired by my son. The film version shares how he impacted people and it touches on his childlike faith. In the story he has an impact on a down and out postal worker.'

I asked how different the story was from real life and Patrick responded: ‘A lot of the conversations between the son and mother are actually conversations between me and my son. The movie is really Tyler’s cancer story wrapped in fiction. The letters are a metaphor of his life and his love for God. In real life, Tyler was his own letter to God. He was the messenger who had to share the story. Actually, I later found some letters that were passed off into the production company. There are a lot of fictional characters in the movie but some, like one of the little girls is based off a friend he met at St. Jude’s Hospital.’

One of the things I appreciated is the work being done to help raise awareness and help agencies that do work. As a part of the work being supported by the web site and movie include, charities such as, Hope Kids, The Arnold Palmer Hospital, and Give Kids the World Village. The web site for the movie, www.letterstogodthemovie.com also has a site link that allows individuals to share their own stories. It doesn’t take long to realize the impact this movie has had on multitudes of grieving loved ones.

In regards to the stories that have been shared, Patrick shared: ‘The stories have been phenomenal! There have been on a daily bases Facebook messages and others at my own web site www.patrickdoughtie.com others forward messages to me that deal with things they have heard. The one thing that sticks out in my head was my thought that if just one person comes to Christ through the story then the entire experience was worth it. There is a woman who contacted me through Facebook and she gave me permission to use her story. She was diagnosed with leukemia at 14 and was considered cancer free for 5 years. For all of her life she was agnostic and didn’t believe in God. She is now 28 and was recently diagnosed with a new kind of cancer with no cure. Her mom asked her to go see the movie, she went reluctantly and came out and messaged me. She wanted me to know that she wanted to live the rest of her life for God and the next week would be the very first time she ever stepped foot in the church.’

Patrick continued with his thoughts, reflecting as he told me; ‘I wanted to see one person come to Christ and impacted by the story, but instead I have seen hundreds of people who have gone through similar circumstances and the story has provided hope.’

Having some experience in knowing what it feels like to garnish some success due to work with such a personal subject, I reluctantly asked how it felt to try and balance everything, including the success with the personal experience of losing his son, Patrick had thought of this before, but was gracious to answer the question freely; ‘Ultimately the entire process has been healing. I went through a period of depression and into a slump for almost 2 years. I was mad at God, I asked the questions of why, it’s not fair, and I started thinking back of when I was in the hospital looking for him. The church I was in gave me the book The Purpose Driven Life by Rick Warren and I started seeing a purpose for everyone. I saw Tyler’s purpose as being on the planet to impact the people he impacted and had an effect on. It’s a roller coaster of emotions. I am blessed that I have been used by God in this manner, there are so many that have lost children that don’t have an opportunity to make a movie about their child. Each one of them touches people in their community and their family’s lives. There is definitely a purpose in each person’s life.’

I couldn’t help but relate to what Patrick had said here. I had seen and experienced the same type of thing with my friend Tyler. In fact, I had asked the same questions, came to the same conclusions. I couldn’t help but think that the consistency of the message gave a type of guarantee that the message really was from God.

In my own personal experiences, I also realized, time has to go on, there has to be a future. I asked Patrick what the future included for him. ‘I am still writing and raising funds for a movie I am now working on. I have a screen play, actually several that I am developing in novel format and they are being pitched to the publisher. The book hit the NY times best seller list so that helps and doors open. I also write a political column and I also just signed with Single Source Speakers Bureau, all in all, life is pretty busy.’

While the movie is getting mass marketing from Wal-Mart among other retailers, the possible impact from the mega giant isn’t lost. Patrick shared, ‘Wal Mart is a huge outlet for us, they have picked up a couple hundred thousand copies, LifeWay is also promoting it pretty well, I haven’t spoken to the marketing team but am hoping they also put more advertising on television. I also know the movie has been released in other countries. Hopefully more people will know about the release. It is also available at Red Box.

I realized as we proceeded, a lot is happening for Patrick. I was impressed; impressed with a lot of things, from similar experiences, to the life his son must have led. I was wondering though, had his purpose, had his desires changed so I asked about his wishes for the future: ‘Honestly, my only wish and goal is like from the start; it is that as many as possible will see the movie, it isn’t really about the sales and all of that, I’m just hoping now that millions can see the movie, be touched by the story. How that helps, or if I make a lot of money doesn’t matter to me nearly as much as that Tyler’s story touches lives.’

As I concluded the interview, I could relate, relate to a real guy who has had to go through tragic events in his own life to make him who he is. I was challenged, in fact moved, the reality is, many of us, whether we realize it or not, do in fact have a purpose in life. We unfortunately come to the conclusions we do through difficult circumstances. All too often, many of us focus on the negative, the negative of how we relate to others, or how we feel about our circumstances. There is certainly a time for grieving as is illustrated in the Biblical book of Ecclesiastes, but there is also a time for healing, a time for joy, a time for living. It is in all of those times that we become who we are, and who we are will determine who we impact and the reality of maybe, just maybe we can be used by God to touch others with meaning and purpose. I think Patrick gets that, in fact, I am certain he does, thankfully because of the gift of his son, now many more, hopefully millions will as well.

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Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Interview with Stan Foster, Writer, Director, Producer

Stan Foster is an up and coming writer, director producer who has been working in numerous projects over the last several years. From writing the screenplay and producing the Film Woman Thou are Loosed, a somewhat controversial film featuring the story from Bishop TD Jakes dealing with physical abuse and adult themes, to experience from appearing on the Mo’Nique Show and producing the television program Homeboys in Outer Space, Foster is sure to raise eyebrows with his blending of spiritual themes with real life events, episodes, and language.
I recently had the opportunity to spend some time with Mr. Foster regarding his work and to discuss some about his new DVD release of his most recent film, Preachers Kid. The following includes some of the insights of Mr. Foster including the making of film in general.

Stan Foster (SF): Hey Mike

Mike Furches (MF): Hey Stan, how are you doing?

SF: I’m doing well, how’s it going?

MF: Doing great

SF: Have you had a chance to see the film yet?

MF: No not yet, I am planning on seeing it this weekend. I do have a few things I am interested in talking to you about if I can, including of course the film.

SF: OK

MF: What is it that you as a director have brought to the table in the making of the film Preachers Kid?

SF: You know, it’s interesting as I started as an actor, then I mingled into writing, then producing and now directing. What I’ve learned the most is that in all four mediums, which are so closely related, I’ve found that your life experience is your color palate. It’s like all of these wonderfully vivid colors have been lived, viewed and experienced, and so when you paint, you are painting from experience. As a director I brought my own personal experiences to the table. It was very important to me; I remember in shooting the movie, in one of the last scenes that you will see, which is of course the story of The Prodigal, and I know that at the end of the prodigal, that his father greeted him with a robe and a ring. I was adamant about that because in my own personal experiences the story of the prodigal really resonated with me. I don’t know how many conventional directors would insist on something like that, but it was very important to me. There was one cut of the film in the editing process that the studio actually wanted to take out the ring. When I saw the version without it I said this is not right. So I think I bring my own personal experiences and values as a director.

MF: Where do some of those values and principals come from?

SF: You know, I didn’t grow up in the church, I actually grew up in a sort of really rough neighborhood, in the projects, drug dealing from the time I was in the 3rd grade drug use, physical abuse, there was sexual abuse that was rampant and I didn’t get saved until I got to college during my first year of college. I met a guy from Augusta Georgia, and you talk about bringing your personal experiences to the screen, which is why The Preachers Kid takes place in Augusta. It was because of that individual, who is a lawyer now in DC now named Eric Seabrook, but he was from Augusta Georgia and so I decided to use that as my backdrop.

MF: Speaking of abuse, you did some work on the film, Woman Thou Art Loosed…

SF: Yes, I was the writer and producer of Woman Thou Art Loosed. That story was actually the story of my ex-girlfriend in college. Her name was Michelle which is why her name is Michelle in the film. In the play that we did, her name was Michelle Foster, but for the film I changed it to Michelle Jordan, which was my mothers’ family name. You know, long before Precious, there was Woman Thou Art Loosed and it really dealt with some of those same issues, in a real, no holds barred, kind of way. I think it is really another wonderful film that has proven over the years to be able to be cathartic and actually help some people through and dealing with some of their past pains.

MF: With Woman Thou Art Loosed, there was a little bit of controversy, mainly because it went outside the norm of typical Christian movies with the theme, language and so forth. If not mistaken it was one of the first ‘R’ rated Christian movies?

SF: Yes, one thing that TD Jakes and I talked about early on, he told me, that if you get the Bible, and you shot a movie about the Bible and showed every scene that the Bible describes, what would the rating be? (laughing)

MF: It would be NC-17

SF: (still laughing) You know that, or worse. It’s like, it’s real. I think a lot of times we as Christians kind of get caught up in the beliefs that once we get saved, once we start going to church that our worlds going to be perfect, so when we go out into the real world we’re faced with the dilemma that the world brings us. We don’t know how to deal with it in a real, practical sense. Sometimes, we can’t just pray it away. Sometimes, we have to make tough decisions. I think that in Woman Thou Art Loosed and in Preachers Kid these characters have to make some tough decisions, and it doesn’t mean that they have to be right all of the time. In the end, whether it’s Preachers Kid or Woman Thou Art Loosed, or any other movie that I write, God’s going to get the glory, and he’s going to get the credit, and there will be redemption.

MF: When you do a film that deals with spiritual themes, yet it addresses the real world, how do you go about getting financing and funding for something like that? Is that something that Hollywood will normally jump on or did you have to work at getting the funding, and did how did you get the funding for both Woman Thou Art Loosed and for Preachers Kid?

SF: Well, Woman Thou Art Loosed was unique because we actually went about getting independent financing with some entertainers, Oprah Winfrey put up some, Johnny Corcoran’s estate put up some, athletes, Gary Sheffield the baseball player, Cedric the Entertainer, and other celebrities and they are all credited at the end of the film with thank yous. Then there were just regular folks, lawyers, doctors and regular business people that just gave money as we broke it up in increments and raised the money independently and we raised and shot it for just under $2,000,000.
With The Preachers Kid I was introduced to Warner Brothers through a friend, and my friend told me that I should not pitch my faith based movie to this division because they weren’t interested in doing that. They were going to do prequels, sequels, and remakes. Then I get in the room and I start pitching, prequels, sequels, and remakes and the executive is looking bored and he goes, ‘You know that Tyler Perry is amazing, you got anything like that?’ And I went, like ahhh, yeah! (laughing)
You know at the end of the day, what makes people like Tyler so important is that if we can show that faith based movies, and that’s not just Tyler but Fireproof and some of the other ones that have done pretty well, and if we can show Hollywood that there is profit, then they will put up the money ultimately. I believe that there is a large group of people that want to see movies that are in this genera, that will not compromise their walk and their faith.

MF: So when you were trying to get the money, was that just individuals that you knew, or did you just pound the pavement trying to get the doors open?

SF: It was sort of a mixture of things and circumstances. One of the producers was friends with Oprah Winfrey and some other people who had invested in one of his other films. He just told her about this project and they were like, oh yes we love TD Jakes, ok. You know, you just kind of put the word out to people. There was a banker in Los Angeles who was helpful, and she dealt with investments for some of the people in Hollywood. She just sort of mentioned to them what we were doing and they were like, wow I want to be involved in that. So there is really no formula for financing. You just kind of play it by ear.

MF: In trying to relate to the common person who may not know that much about the role of a director, can you tell us what all is involved for you as the director and in what parts of the movie are you involved in?

SF: This is my first time directing, so I had no idea how intense a process this is. When I tell you that every single frame of this film has my stamp on it, that film has as much as Stan Foster in it as a painter, painting every stroke on a painting and handing it to you. I work with every bit of music, to get it to specification, every graph, every table, what the characters are eating, what they are wearing, how their hair is, how the acting is directed, the editing process, do we use this angle, or do we use that take, what kind of cars are driving by, every department comes to you. I’ve been a writer before that and as a writer you just write, okay, so and so sits in a car and they are eating a sandwich, then they say x, y and z. As a writer that is a real simple life, but when you’re a director that so and so becomes how do you want things. The wardrobe department comes to you about dressing her, what do you want her wearing, this, this and this or something else? The hair department comes to you and asks how do you want her hair, like this, or this or do you have something else in mind? The prop department comes you and says, what do you want in the car; do you want these kind of seats? The transportation department comes to you and asks what kind of car is it, what kind of car is passing by. These are the guys that are saying, what kind of music do you want in the background playing? The actors are asking you, what is our motivation here? So the director is involved in every bit of it. Then when you are done shooting the film, the editor is saying, which take do you want to use? Do you want to use that one, or this angle? Your DP is saying do you want to use a dolly wrap or a steady camera or a hand held? Every bit of it is your decision and your call, where the actors are lined up or who speaks first. Sometimes you are rewriting scenes on the fly, it is really intense. Yet, I loved it! I loved the whole process.

MF: That gives some detail as to the direction, as the writer though; do you give up the baby?

SF: It’s different in every case when you are the writer and director as I was on Preachers Kid, it’s the same baby. You do understand that you may have to sacrifice some of the baby for a greater good on down the road. I was also the producer so I determined which scenes also got cut. It’s hard but I would rather make that decision than have someone else make it.
In Woman Thou Art Loosed I was just the writer and producer and the director was really, and he didn’t have to be this way, the director was really considerate of what my intent was, so when he would set up a scene, he would look at me and ask, is this what you had in mind or did you see it differently? There are other projects where the writer is never on the set, and not allowed on the set and somebody takes it and you go, what movie did they make, what were they reading?

MF: As of late, it seems like there has been a lot of movies made with the Black church that is used as a backdrop. What do you see going on there? What is happening to where we are seeing more of that now and is there the potential for crossover?

SF: I think that for this genera, the African American genera, the black church is really the starting point. There was a time, right after slavery it was our everything, it was where we had our socialization, it is where we had our political meetings, it is where we met our wives, it’s where we did everything, it where we worshiped, so the church was everything, it is where we voted, it was, everything for the African American community. I think there is usually a fundamental belief in church and God, I think in the genera.

In terms of it being the backdrop for this film, it really is the starting point, but not necessarily the backdrop. We’re in the church for a few scenes to show where our character starts out before making her journey and it helps us understand her better. I think whether it is a trend or not, I’m not sure. I would like to see some other films. I don’t think I have ever seen that many films that really depicts what happens in the church. You know what’s interesting is there is films that Christians seem to ignore, but it’s true there seems to be a Black church and a White church and a Latino church; the worship is different, there is something about being able to embody a hybrid of the two. I realized this when I did Woman Thou Art Loosed, in that same year I did a film called Hangman’s Curse, which was Frank Peretti’s book brought to film. I was a writer on both of those and we were doing screenings and Fox had distribution for both films. There was a guy named John Scott at Fox and so we would give a screening for Woman Thou Art Loosed in a theater and John would say Stan is a wonderful writer and he also did Frank Peretti’s book and they would go, who’s that? Then we would be at the Peretti screening for Hangman’s Curse and John would go, Stan is a wonderful writer and he also did Woman Thou Art Loosed by TD Jakes and they would go who’s that? (laughter) You know, sometimes it’s just two different worlds. Hopefully, if we continue to make movies that have universal themes and stories that will resonate, whether it’s in the church, or the circus, or the boardroom that it will be relatable, because I think that relatable themes and issues are important. The church should happen to be a jumping off point in any film.
(At this point the publicist steps in): Mike We have time for one more question

SF: Make it a good one Mike, (genuine and warm laughter)

MF: One more question, goodness gracious. (both of us are laughing at this point.) Here is one, what do you think is the importance of getting spiritual themes out into the mainstream of movies and into the general market?

SF: I think if there is a word more than important, I think it is crucial, I think it is vital, I think that the problem with Christian movies in the past is that they had to be word for word, literally as they were read in the Bible, or as they were taught. But I think the Biblical theme and message is what’s important. It’s sort of like when Jesus was talking to the Pharisees and they were complaining about working on the Sabbath. He is like looking at them like; you’ve missed the whole point. You’ve taken it literally word for word and you’ve missed the whole message. I think this film, and the films I hope to do in the future, and Woman Thou Art Loosed is that the theme is what resonates, and the theme is what we’re selling. Just quickly; when I was on TBN about a month ago promoting the film I was with a pastor named Kenneth Ulmer who’s got a huge church in Las Angeles and I said, Bishop, I was concerned about getting this movie right for Christians, I was a stickler for details, and he said, that’s not your calling. You are called to reach with your movies, people who would never show up in the church and you’re supposed to get your film into them, instead of bringing them into the church. So I think that is my responsibility.

MF: I sure do appreciate it Stan.

SF: Thank you Mike.
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